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I watch it for the big round thing, mostly

Okay, a couple things:

1. This is a legitimate question, not a complaint, because I maybe am just overlooking the obvious (or looked away for a second) - but how did Teyla, Lorne & co. get onto the jumper?

2. Am I to understand that Sheppard, completely of his own accord, decided to not only take his team out on a mission into enemy territory, but also Lorne's, and their newly acquired (and, I imagine, scientifically very valuable) wraith ship which he proceeds to blow up, without, say... checking in with Sam first? At all? Shouldn't that maybe be a first step? How is this okay?

3. I was so, so on board with the Teyla storyline up until about the last 15 minutes of this episode. I really was. John was being a dick, and making an okay point in a spectacularly bad way, and Teyla was not suddenly overwrought or irrational or a liability because she's pregnant. And John was absolutely within his rights to pull her off of missions, and she was absolutely within her rights to be pissed as hell about it, and - yay! You tell'm, Teyla! And hurrah for John, in a very warped kind of way, because I'm so happy when writers let characters be wrong once in a while and get a little verbal smack down for it and for a minute, I really thought it was coming.

...except apparently that's not how this story goes, and Teyla is suddenly an irrational liability and incapable of accurately assessing what she can and can't do. Because, as we know, being pregnant makes you weak and stupid. Thank God she has all these men in her life to tell her what to do and hug her when she cries over her terrible decisions. Get this woman a tissue and some ice cream!

Seriously, really, writers? Because while I get the point, and Teyla not being in the field seems completely rational to me, this was not the way to do it. Teyla could have wrestled with the issue herself. She could have talked to Keller, or Sam, or John, or Ronon, or anyone about it and come to her own conclusions. She could have been benched by John and been pissed as hell for a really long time. Or anything else. But tonight read to be as Teyla defying the wisdom of cooler and more rational (male, I am looking at you John and also kinda Ronon) heads and being punished for it with a near miscarriage and no. Fail. Do not want, ever again, thank you very much.

4. Lorne is cute. If we can now progress directly to the Lorne & Zelenka show, that would be lovely.

I really do want to like this show but... gah!

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cyren_2132
Jan. 12th, 2008 08:38 am (UTC)
1. Sheppard said they were in the hive ship. Apparently Lorne's team and Teyla ran really fast after setting the ship for a course into the clone factory.

2. When it comes down to acquiring a hive ship and a giant giant army to try and fight versus losing the ship and not having the giant giant army, that's, personally, a decision I'm okay with John making given the other ship coming down on them.

3. I agree with everything you said about Teyla and that story at the top half the note, but I don't think her realization at the end was born from "Well, golly gee, the menfolk were right along." And I don't think it all boiled down to everything until that moment was just irrational pregnant lady craziness. Overconfidence, maybe, but it's not like that's an uncommon characteristic with this team.

And while I'm all for character moments and teamy interaction and I've never considered myself one of those ADD-must-have-action-and-shiny-explosions-nowNowNOW! folk, I kind of feel like watching Teyla navel gaze about her plight or talk it out with other people would have been exceedingly boring. But I'm sure we can agree to disagree on those last bits.
cyren_2132
Jan. 12th, 2008 08:40 am (UTC)
And yes. Lorne is incredibly cute and sweet and adorable, and I'd love to watch the Lorne and Zelenka Hour.
niamaea
Jan. 12th, 2008 09:56 pm (UTC)
The Lorne & Zelenka Holiday Special! Lorne & Zelenka Rock Around the Clock! I would tune in every week.

Edited at 2008-01-12 09:56 pm (UTC)
niamaea
Jan. 12th, 2008 08:53 am (UTC)
2. Yeah, I'm okay with the way they ended up losing the ship out of context -- it worked, they lived, so it's all good. I think my bigger problem was them going off on the ship without any kind of consultation in the first place. That seems wrong to me.

3. On Teyla: I don't think "hail to the wisdom of the menfolk" was necessarily intended to be the point, but it was definitely what I got. And I put that on the writers, not on Teyla. It felt to me like, for about an episode and a half, she was (for better or worse) keeping control of herself and her body as much as she could within the context of being on a team, and advocating for herself as capable, and she got smacked down for it so as to see the error of her ways.

And it's weird, because I basically agree with John that active duty is risk above-and-beyond the norm, but I hated how they got there. Which is not to say I would necessarily have enjoyed a lot of navel gazing either, but this felt mostly like Teyla being told what to do (and what she can't do), and resisting, and being punished for it, and that just makes me feel a little queasy.

YMMV, of course - I definitely don't expect everyone to see it that way.
aelfgyfu_mead
Jan. 12th, 2008 03:37 pm (UTC)
Dang! It's getting eerie how much you and I agree!

On Teyla: I don't think "hail to the wisdom of the menfolk" was necessarily intended to be the point, but it was definitely what I got.
I teach literature. I don't care what the writers intended (I teach medieval lit, so they're all long dead anyway!); it's the results that count. The writers did at least give us the "I was wrong"--"No, I was wrong!" exchange between John and Teyla at the end, but John being wrong gave us two grumpy characters. Teyla trying to keep up with the boys nearly gave us a lot of dead characters.
niamaea
Jan. 12th, 2008 10:04 pm (UTC)
Right - while I appreciate the notion of authorial intent, and I consider it when I'm watching the episodes, I still kind of feel like there's somewhat of a responsibility to look beyond what you're writing and at what's actually being said. And in this case, what was being said was a big pile of no for me. It seems like a lot of people are very squeeful about the episode, so I dunno if maybe I'm looking at it from a weird angle or what but...glad to know I'm not the only one. :)

How cool, on the medieval lit teaching. At what level...college?
aelfgyfu_mead
Jan. 12th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
Nope! There are at least three of us who were not squeeful, because my husband thought the episode rated about a "meh".

Yes, I'm an English prof. Medieval lit is fun! I do both Old and Middle English (and I sneak in a little Old French, and I've been teaching myself Old Norse lately, at a very slow pace). I also teach History of the English Language, which is fascinating--I had no idea how much until I started to teach it!
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